Curse

Dr Strangelove · Aug 05, 2007, 05:13 PM // 17:13

I'll try and be more sympathetic here for a moment.

I understand that for some ultra-rare skins, making them inscribable makes them less rare and feel like less of an accomplishment.

For most weapons, though, allowing the inscription to be retroactively changed is a big benefit. 15 over 50 mods could then be pulled off, imperfect inscriptions could be replaced, etc. I'm not sure which of the two is a better idea, to be honest.

For changing drops, I see no reason why non-inscribable weapon should continue to drop. They're *bad*. In 2 years of playing, I doubt I've gotten more than 10 usable drops in tyria/cantha. I've never gotten any usable caster weapons. (I count usable as perfect mods, I'm a perfectionist to whom that extra 1% matters, not for rarity, but because I want to be as effective as possible). It's not about free weapon for everyone, but about a better system that's a hell of a lot more fun for everyone involved. It used to drive me insane to get 3 class caster weapons, 18% hexed chaos axes, etc.

As for changing unconditional weapons, I'm torn. They changed all the other imbalanced PvE items a long, long time ago, pissing off the crowd that's pissed off right now. I'll take herbalizer's word that they're extremely rare and not used in PvP, which is a tic for them staying. It really is a toss-up on that one.

Malice Black · Aug 05, 2007, 05:14 PM // 17:14

I though Zrave was inactive also..

Nice list there Herb., knew I could count on you :P

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

very true so i obviously mispoke.

question please

if a person spends a million+ on their FOW armor and uses up their cash/assets getting that armor do they still qualify as a millionaire even if their assets aside from the FOW are essentially nil?

or is that person an ex- millionaire in FOW armor?

to clarify i was refering to the people who have the liquid assets ranging from spiked eggnogs to ectos to make million+ gold buys on the spot .

since the FOW armor is not of any sales value i was not counting something like that into the equation

FoW doesn't mean jack anymore, so no, no gold = poor no matter what armor you have.

There should be masses with 1mill+ tbh only those with some kind of dedication will make it though. It use to be possible to farm 1mill in a week.

Diddy bow · Aug 05, 2007, 05:35 PM // 17:35

In nf somthing like 95% of items are really easy to get perfect cus of the inscription system, GW:EN will most lightly be the same.

But now days you can get a req 12/13 of any canthan/ tyrain skin for pretty cheap as well. there are exeptions but there are exeptions of inscription only items too.

So why would any one want to implement an inscription system to proph/factions when the weaps can already be aquired cheapish anyway? is it functionality or jealousy?

lyra_song · Aug 05, 2007, 05:38 PM // 17:38

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Originally Posted by Diddy bow

So why would any one want to implement an inscription system to proph/factions when the weaps can already be aquired cheapish anyway? is it functionality or jealousy?

Because some people might NOT have nightfall and want to get the same flexibility in weapon choices of those players who do.

Razz Thom · Aug 05, 2007, 05:47 PM // 17:47

I invite all flames by saying this....................leave the req7 and 8 non-inscribables the way they are. Then make them PvE only. No reason to argue anymore.

The Herbalizer · Aug 05, 2007, 05:55 PM // 17:55

[QUOTE=Loviatar]

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very true so i obviously mispoke.

question please

if a person spends a million+ on their FOW armor and uses up their cash/assets getting that armor do they still qualify as a millionaire even if their assets aside from the FOW are essentially nil?

or is that person an ex- millionaire in FOW armor?

to clarify i was refering to the people who have the liquid assets ranging from spiked eggnogs to ectos to make million+ gold buys on the spot .

since the FOW armor is not of any sales value i was not counting something like that into the equation

What I meant was if so many people in one guild alone online at the same time could obtain the gold required for FOW armour which is around 1 million (or was) then it shows the ease at which it can be obtained.

I know a number of FOW owners who dont have a clue about making gold yet they managed to get it through incredible luck.

Even now you can obtain a large amount of gold for doing nothing whether it be gold drops, mini pets etc. Only the other day I obtained a Mini Gwen worth around 100k +50 Ectos on a mule account.

I have read stories about how people have obtained 1 million gold from just "normal" play.

There are also alot of players who were millionaires but spent their gold on say items. They become poor but soon are millionaires again through selling other items they own. I know people who regularly do this and although they could be poor now they in the future could easily become a millionaire again.

In terms of what is a millionaire I would say it is someone who has wealth tied up in gold, materials or dye.

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

Because some people might NOT have nightfall and want to get the same flexibility in weapon choices of those players who do.

I am pretty sure you can own Nightfall items even if you do not own the game. I purchased several Factions weapons when all I owned was Prophecies.

lyra_song · Aug 05, 2007, 06:30 PM // 18:30

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

I am pretty sure you can own Nightfall items even if you do not own the game. I purchased several Factions weapons when all I owned was Prophecies.

A PvP character can gain weapons from PvE through purchase, just as a Prophecies only player can gain Nightfall item through purchase.

But this still requires finding someone who has the item your looking for, and having the money to buy it.

In the fact that this is a reliance for exclusive items (not just in skin, but requirements, modability, etc) through another player from another game, there is a serious hindrance on that player's ability to be independent.

Anet gives players the option to play through the game solo with hench and heros alike. So creating a situation where a player is forced to rely on other players for items is hypocritical, especially with the superior crafters and collectors in Nightfall.

sixdartbart · Aug 05, 2007, 06:33 PM // 18:33

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

They might as well just make everything available at a merchant then. Then you can all buy your crappy items and then add your leet mods to go with it, no work or risk required.

Sorry bro but that wouldn't go nearly far enough for some of these people, I can hear it already "put them at character creation since I don't have any gold yet"

The title of this thread made me laugh,
"How to drive away hard core collectors in pve"

Aside from Malice and Herb are there really any left???

I seem to remember a few of us explaining that demands just like this would come along if they added any inscriptions and look --- here they are.

I added a screen of what I believe may be the rarest item in GWs just for Herb and Malice, maybe not I don't play anymore but I only know of 1

{the rest of you can't look}

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

Because some people might NOT have nightfall and want to get the same flexibility in weapon choices of those players who do.

They very well may want the same flexibility in skill choices too but how would they be entitled to have something from a game they didn't buy?

Malice Black · Aug 05, 2007, 06:44 PM // 18:44

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Originally Posted by sixdartbart

Sorry bro but that wouldn't go nearly far enough for some of these people, I can hear it already "put them at character creation since I don't have any gold yet"

The title of this thread made me laugh,
"How to drive away hard core collectors in pve"

Aside from Malice and Herb are there really any left???

I seem to remember a few of us explaining that demands just like this would come along if they added any inscriptions and look --- here they are.

I added a screen of what I believe may be the rarest item in GWs just for Herb and Malice, maybe not I don't play anymore but I only know of 1

{the rest of you can't look}

Sorry to disappoint, but Malice is officially a poor person

I got rid of everything I owned quite a while ago. Herb is one of the few original collectors left.

Dr Strangelove · Aug 05, 2007, 06:57 PM // 18:57

It has nothing to do with wanting everything given at character creation, but has more to do with the inscription system being better and more fun for everyone. There are still rare skins in nightfall, and still things worth collecting, my point is that a) not everyone has nightfall to get the useful inscribable weapons and b) you can only get so many req 9 illusion 20% HCT healing prayers 20% HSR fire magic items before your head explodes

Malice Black · Aug 05, 2007, 07:17 PM // 19:17

The inscription system isn't fun, it removed all the fun IMO.

Spazzer · Aug 05, 2007, 07:40 PM // 19:40

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

1. He was not out of line. Pointing out someone's lack of research / ignorance is not out of line. Especially when I have posted what I am about to do in threads you have posted in regarding the removal of unconditional weapons.

He was out of line, and you are wrong. Everyone knows that you value virtual property more than everyone else around here; I'm not expecting much from this beginning.

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2. Here is a list of all the unconditional weapons I know of and their owners:

A list changes nothing. All this does is confirm what everyone knows--there are Unconditional weapons still in the game, over two years after they stopped dropping.

Would you care to tell my why they stopped dropping, or is this a touchy subject for you?

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Thats alot of inactive people and even when the people who own them are no inactive the weapons are usually customized. Chances of any new ones popping up now or inactive people becoming active are very slim.

Yes, thank you for mentioning that they are customized. The reason they are customized is for use in PvP. PvE players have no interest in customizing weapons. I'm glad you have confirmed this point for me.

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There are so few unconditional weapons in the game it is very pointless and very very unfair to change them.

Wrong. You are writing under the idea that an inactive account is gone. You are writing under the suggestion that since those players do not play anymore, their weapons don't matter. You're completely forgetting about the fact that the accounts are still active. They can log in at any moment, or sell it to a friend.

It does not matter if they are not currently playing. That was never an issue with unconditional weapons. Nor has the rarity ever been an issue. The only times these points come up is from someone who owns one (like you) trying to justify their purchase of a virtual property. They are game-breaking items. They do not belong in the game.

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Anet have allowed the trading of them since they dropped from Arid Sea chests shortly after the release of Guild Wars. They have allowed the price of them to rise and rise. The Serpent Axe was sold for 1000e Ectos or the equivalent of 7 million gold. The total traded to obtain them is well into the tens of millions. Now that would be highly unfair removing them.

Again going back to your love of virtual worth. Still, did you ever think to ask yourself why an item like that would be worth so much? It's easy--it's imba.

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They are no unbalanced in the slightest. Any player aware of game mechanics or weapon damage would tell you that non-unconditional weapons are better than unconditional weapons.

Weapon-swapping is an action that causes you to miss a swing. If you're going to start into your classic "I keep a 20v50% weapon swap with my unconditional weapon", I'm going to choke on my water.

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15>50 & 20<50 is superior to 15%

Oh shit, there I go.

Cut the crap, Herbalizer. You don't weapon swap in that situation unless it's to something more defensive. It's useless to swap to more damage because you miss a swing. There is a delay in this action while your character switches weapons. I know for a fact that you don't do this, because you would know this fact if you ever tried.

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Anyone who is looking to maximize the amount of damage they do would not use unconditional weapons.

Because of weapon swapping? I already handled this.

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Players like to use different combinations of weapons such as 3/1 Vamp, Zealous, Elemental etc. Again this makes the use of unconditional weapons pointless.

Because of rarity? I already handled this.

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All unconditional weapons are is abit of fun, something legendary to own in a game where there is nothing particulary special about weapons. Having slightly unusual and different weapons makes the game more interesting. There is a large amount of interest in them as I have received countless messages enquiring about them and I cant go a day in GW without several people asking to see them. Anet can remove them but it will just make the game slightly more boring and less exciting to players.

Do you know who I am? I'm kind of a big deal around here!

Seriously, you're only defending them because you own one. Naturally, you'll try to downplay them. I bet you'd even quit the game if it was taken away from you (which is the title of this thread, actually). That kind of slant really hurts your arguement, especially after you condone calling people ignorant just because they don't share your outlook on "special" virtual items.

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I would say waaaay more than a few thousand. That is the number of players who could spending 1 million + gold on an item.

Actually, I'm betting a "few thousand" is the number of players who have logged in the last week. Tens of people playing a video game!

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In my guild alone 25 players (or around that number) at one time went to Grotto all in FOW armour.

Quoting this just because I can't leave it alone.

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History has shown countless times how the majority have persecuted the minorities simply because they believed they were unimportant.

Yes, yes, down with democracy.

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Just because someone is in a minority does not mean they matter / are not important.

People know me!

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It would be nice if the people arguing for the introduction of inscriptable items including altering non-inscriptable ones thought for a minute how much grief it would cause. Alot of time was spent trying to obtain items and to say you dont care about the player's loss is highly unfair and inconsiderate.

Huh? I've got items that would be devalued as well. I want that inscription system very badly, however, because I know I'll have the tools to personalize my character the way that I want--in a manner that is balanced.

manitoba1073 · Aug 05, 2007, 07:54 PM // 19:54

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

A PvP character can gain weapons from PvE through purchase, just as a Prophecies only player can gain Nightfall item through purchase.

But this still requires finding someone who has the item your looking for, and having the money to buy it.

In the fact that this is a reliance for exclusive items (not just in skin, but requirements, modability, etc) through another player from another game, there is a serious hindrance on that player's ability to be independent.

Anet gives players the option to play through the game solo with hench and heros alike. So creating a situation where a player is forced to rely on other players for items is hypocritical, especially with the superior crafters and collectors in Nightfall.

So then explain to me the reason why stuff was removed from PvE and put into PvP only avenues to get. Seems theres already a precendent that anets has going. Seems more to me that anet is the hypocritical one according to ur views.

Athrun Feya · Aug 05, 2007, 08:07 PM // 20:07

What harm would come from turning future drops in Tyria/Cantha inscribable? (by this, i mean everyones weapons currently would stay as they are).

Would this increase the rarity and therefore price of non-inscrip items as they no longer can be dropped? Or would it push the general price down because the same thing "more" available...

Divinus Stella · Aug 05, 2007, 08:07 PM // 20:07

If you really want the undoncitional items removed you only need make a fuss on a couple of forums and itll happen, i think its an issue that they would rather leave alone aslong as its not mentioned but if more people became aware of the imbalance it would be fixed pretty quick.

I'm not really too fussed about inscriptions, pretty much all my warriors items lost the bulk of their value after inscriptions were added but it was really badly needed for casters, getting perfect caster items before was impossible.

Lord of the Yoshis · Aug 05, 2007, 08:12 PM // 20:12

I am against making all weapons inscribable, even though I would not be affected by it much, seeing as I only have a small number of weapons that would be affected. GW has been going on just fine without these changes, so why change it now and piss off a number of people? I just see no need in changing what is already fine.

Also, on the point of making gold easily, I bought my FoW armor over the course of four months. It didn't take a lot of real grind farming, I just casually farmed and got lucky off of a few nice items - inscribable ones at that.

lyra_song · Aug 05, 2007, 08:17 PM // 20:17

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

So then explain to me the reason why stuff was removed from PvE and put into PvP only avenues to get. Seems theres already a precendent that anets has going. Seems more to me that anet is the hypocritical one according to ur views.

please clarify "Stuff", if you mean ATS skins....those aren't tradeable.

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Originally Posted by sidartbart

They very well may want the same flexibility in skill choices too but how would they be entitled to have something from a game they didn't buy?

Skill choices arent even part of the discussion.

Skills are unattainable if you dont own the expansion (i remember only 1 exception to this, iirc). Weapons and items are purchasable even if you dont own the expansion. This is the fundamental difference and negates your comparison. My comparison of the PvP character getting PvE items is more valid since even PvP-only accounts can gain PvE items.

Im not saying to put spear crafters in Prophecies, but the CORE classes are available in all the games.

All weapons behave the same way. They do damage, they have mods. The fact that Nightfall has a "unique" weapon system creates incompatibilities with its sister games.

Not only that, but the collectors and crafters in Nightfall have weapons that no reason NOT to exist in Factions or Prophecies (like Restoration requirement wands).

When the inscribables drops in Tyria and Cantha will give all players regardless of their game a uniform system.

Loviatar · Aug 05, 2007, 08:19 PM // 20:19

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Originally Posted by Enko

if you want, i'll give you a vamp 5 bow string for free. i got a ton of them and its not worth the time to sell them.

thank you but no.

once upon a time long ago that 4 was actually worth selling but since it was the best salvage i had ever gotten to that date i kept it and still keep it for the fun of remembering the wow feeling way back when i got it

Conn · Aug 05, 2007, 08:38 PM // 20:38

How sad to see people fear the devalue of virtual items. Poor elitists that can't bare the thought of not being elitist anymore if anet make all weapons inscribable.

I've not seen anything in this thread to not implement inscriptions, except 3 desperate people trying to hang onto their elite status. Their answer, get more money. Either by farming or playing the market, both are boring and time consuming. Also that list of unconditionals pretty much consists of people that don't play anymore, they can't complain if they don't play. Having a whole guild walk around in obsidian armor, only shows a guild with bad taste. none of the obsidian armor actually looks good imo.

jhu · Aug 05, 2007, 08:54 PM // 20:54

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Originally Posted by sixdartbart

EDIT They very well may want the same flexibility in skill choices too but how would they be entitled to have something from a game they didn't buy?

because they did it for tyrian and canthan armor by changing to an inscription system, which was also introduced in nightfall first.